no-poo??

topic posted Thu, May 1, 2008 - 10:58 AM by  Lanna
I'm interested in maybe trying to go with the whole no-poo baking soda thing, but I'm not sure how to do it. I read the other discussion on here but some real directions (and lots of testimonials) would be appreciated. Also, how long will it be before I can safely and confidently go out in public again? lol
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Lanna
Georgia
  • Re: no-poo??

    Thu, May 1, 2008 - 12:47 PM
    Hi there. I have wavy/curly, blonde, thick hair (not loads and loads of it though, so it cancels out the thickness) and have been doing no 'poo since January. There is a supposed adjustment period of six weeks average, but can be anything from 4 - 9. This is when your hair will be much more greasy at the roots than you are used to, and you may also have dry ends from where the sebum hasn't yet spread to them. This can be sorted or covered up by adding a little jojoba or coconut oil onto the ends, and putting up your hair. Sometimes if its really bad then I use kaolin clay to absorb some of the grease.

    The principal of no 'poo is based on using alkali followed by acid to cancel it out and restore your skins Ph back to acidic (which is normal). There is more theorised science for this on www.communites.livejournal.com/nopoo. The usual method for newbies is 1tbsp baking soda mixed with water to 'open' if you like, the little cuticles of the hair shaft, and therefore wash out the excess oil. People then rinse and follow with a diluted vinegar rinse, acidic, which 'closes' the cuticles and smoothes the hair. I also find that the 'acid' moves some of the oil down to my dryer ends of hair.

    This is my past routine:

    First week in: I tried CO (conditioner only). This is meant to clump with the oils and wash them out. It lef my hair grungy and I gave up after one week, which wasn't really enough time to test whether it could be good for my hair. Use CO is normally associated with the 'curly girl method' or for people who have quite coarse or dry hair.

    Next I tried the typical no 'poo wash: Baking soda rinse, rinsed out, then Apple Cider Vinegar mixed with water (1:8) and poured on my head.

    I did this for a good many weeks (maybe about 8?) and then I made a visit to the hairdresser to get my hair cut. I asked for them to not wash it, so she sprayed my hair with plain old water. She combed it out really well, and ick, there was this awful vinegary smell. I decided I needed to mix up my routine a bit... I also had found that BS was making my hair too dry if I used it regularly.

    I read on livejournal of using lime juice as the acid rinse. I thought this would be great, I love lime, so I tried it out. Lo and behold, great results - pleasant smell and actually left hair smoother and less greasy looking than ACV. My 'recipe' for this rinse is:

    1/2 OR 1 lime
    300ml ish boiling water OR 450ml if using a whole lime
    Teaspoon honey (to moisturise, I have dry hair sometimes)
    1 chamomile tea bag

    Steep the bag for about 5-10 mins with the lime and honey. You can also add in:
    Fresh aloe vera (really moisturising!), fresh rosemary/basil/thyme/any aromatic herb you like. When its lukewarm, put into a squeezy bottle and pour on hair, get right underneath all of the top layer too so you wash it thoroughly. Comb hair. Then use some more of the rinse and leave on.

    Sometimes I do the same kind of recipe (minus the herbs) but with lemon to lighten my hair, but it can be a bit drying.

    It has taken me up until now to cease having really bad greasy moments, and STILL I have bad hair days...but I am a bit lax with my routine so that could be why. So that's about 4 months, it would probably have been less if I hadn't dabbled in so many things at once!

    THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW BEFORE YOU START:
    - Everyone is different. Some need less concentrated rinses as BS dries out theit hair too much. You own routine is a personal thing and it takes patience to find out what works and what doesn't work.

    - No 'poo can be frustrating and leave your hair looking really bad at times. You will have to be strong willed, determined and battle through the greasies!

    - ACV/BS is not the only other method of washing hair no 'poo style. Some people use organic shampoos, dilute their shampoo, wash with water, wash with shampoo bars (like soap, but for hair), wash with salt scrubs/rinse, use conditioner only or are 'low 'poo' meaning they wash with shampoo infrequently. Some people just use herbal rinses to keep their hair and scalp fresh. Its all down to your hair type, how much time you have and what you think will work best for you.

    - Lime juice...citrus juices - a word of warning. Citrus can cause photosensitivy to the skin, meaning direct sunlight can cause a reaction. I'm still looking for other stuff to use for my acid rinse as the summer is nearly here! :)

    - Some people that have previously suffered from dandruff have said that no 'poo has improved their problem. Some say that it induced flaking...I know now that I can't use large amounts of BS as it dries out my scalp and causes dandruff.

    -You monitor what you put on your scalp, none of the recommendations by people are tested for safety/reliability etc. so mind what you put on your head!

    -Squeezy bottles are great for getting right into the roots.

    -A LOT of people who do no 'poo get sebum/dead skin (sorry if that was a bit TMI) residue on their hairbrushes. To clean this off I use my old shampoo.

    -If anything causes a bad, painful reaction on your scalp - stop using it immediately. I know it sounds obvious, but I had to say. Some people are even allergic to various no 'poo ingredients.

    -Some have reported back that BS has discoloured their hair or bleached it - I also found this when I did ACV/BS that my regrowth was a slightly different shade, it made it a kind of dull, flat colour. Another reason why I don't really like using BS on myself lol.


    Good luck :D Any more questions I'll be happy to try and answer.
    • Re: no-poo??

      Thu, May 1, 2008 - 1:08 PM
      Hi. I have seen several threads on different tribes regarding no-poo, and I have to ask this. Please excuse my ignorance, but what are the reasons people have for going poo-free? What are the benefits? I thought at first people were doing it because of nasty stuff in commercial products, but there are "organic" shampoos that supposedly don't have that, so I was left wondering.

      Can anyone explain? : )

      slade
      • Re: no-poo??

        Thu, May 1, 2008 - 5:40 PM
        Ooh. Yeah, I'll try.

        The first time I heard of it was in curly hair care recommendations--the idea is that most curly hair is dryer than straight hair, and don't really need the shampoo drying it out further. I've been told (by my hair dresser, even) that the whole shampooing every day idea, as well as the concept of working up a big lather and getting it on all of your hair...is really a recent thing (since the 70s, maybe) and meant to sell more shampoo. Back in the day, people washed their hair once a week (even if they bathed more often) because they knew shampoo dried the hair a bit.

        Shampoo came about because it was a cleanser that worked with both hard and soft water, at a time (early 20th century) when water varied a lot with the region. But now it's sort of developed a life of its own--we all tend to associate "foamy" with a product that's doing its job, and that hair must be "squeaky clean." But it's not necessarily true. But SLS (sodium laureth/lauryl sulfate) is a foaming agent they put in shampoo and soap because they know the public has that association.

        SLS strips oil...which can be great, in moderation. But your body produces oil for a reason, and you don't really want to get rid of all of it. If you try to, your body tries to compensate and produces more...hence the "greasy period" of going no-'poo, when your body adjusts. Some people produce a bit more oil, some less--so we really shouldn't treat hair as though *everyone* should use shampoo and conditioner every day, which is what the media tries to tell you.

        So anyway.
        What happened with me (and with many other curly-haired girls), is that we'd notice our hair was dry after washing, and frizzy...so we'd add silicone-based serums to smooth it. But you need SLS to wash silicones out, or it really builds up and weighs your hair down. So SLS dries your hair out even more, necessitating more silicone...lovely cycle, that. If you don't use SLS in the first place on dry curly hair, you don't need the gajillion other products! So I use a (silicone-free) conditioner most days, and a non-SLS shampoo once or twice a week as needed.

        And my hair is no longer dry and tangly and frizzy, and it's much lower maintenance, and I use much less product...and we all lived happily ever after. :) But YMMV.
  • Re: no-poo??

    Thu, May 1, 2008 - 2:26 PM
    Hi Lanna, fyi ~ I tried adding baking soda to my shampoo for a few weeks (to fight build up) and my hair turned very dry. I have fine, thin, (usually) healthy hair. Since I started using baking soda I've noticed split ends (which I normally don't get) and straw-like texture :(
    • Re: no-poo??

      Thu, May 1, 2008 - 8:21 PM
      OK, what about if you use product in your hair? Are you either shampooing or no-pooing daily, or how do you refresh the style? I've been using Silky Dirt to turn the near-jewfro into betty boopness, and have gotten away with re-wetting the second day to re-style, but after 2 or 3 days, I rinse in the shower, and either drop a tiny bit of diluted shampoo on, or rub a little lather from my bar of Dr. Bronners.
    • Re: no-poo??

      Fri, May 2, 2008 - 11:27 AM
      Hey, I think mixing SLS-based cleanser and baking soda does that because it's double 'bubble' - you strip your hair of sebum, and leave it with an alkali Ph. You may have even experienced really greasy hair after if you kept at it for long enough, because your hair will overcompensate for the Ph and lack of oil by producing more sebum.

      I find I can't use BS regularly on my once really dry wavy hair (from using shampoo and conditioner). I tell you this though, since no 'poo my regrowth at the roots is very very soft because it's never been shampooed! I did shampoo last week because I over-oiled my hair with coconut milk, and had to get it out fast. When my hair dried, it was beautiful because the residue that had been laying there on the roots for weeks because of the 'detox' and not shampooing was reduced and normalised...my hair seems okay now so perhaps shampoo is good like every 6 months or so. Just a thought.
  • Re: no-poo??

    Mon, May 5, 2008 - 10:53 AM
    ok wow that's a lot of info...think i might try the organic shampoo first. one more question, what about dying your hair when you're no-poo? is that ok? what effects would that have...more greasy/less greasy? i'm planning on dying my hair soon so should i wait to do that until after the detox period or...?
    • Re: no-poo??

      Mon, May 5, 2008 - 11:46 AM
      I've found that my hair must be soap-clean before using henna, as the oils prevent the henna from absorbing into the hair.
  • Re: no-poo??

    Tue, May 6, 2008 - 11:58 AM
    I stumbled on this last night. I think someone else talked about it in another posting, but here it is for those who haven't heard. The reviews (thousands of them) seem really positive. When I get some more money coming in I'm soooo getting the coconut one!

    usa.lush.com/cgi-bin/lushdb/catzoom.html
    • sodium coco-sulfate?!?!?!?!?!?!!???

      Tue, May 6, 2008 - 2:30 PM
      I was looking over all of the shampoo bars on this page, I think I was reluctant to try them before as they had SLS in them. Upon further investigation, it looks like they use "sodium coco-sulfate" instead of SLS.

      I've never heard of this before (not that I'm an expert or anything), and I was wondering if anyone knew the deal on this stuff?
      • Re: sodium coco-sulfate?!?!?!?!?!?!!???

        Tue, May 6, 2008 - 2:36 PM
        Henna is a plant-based hair color, that works more like stain than dye, and is most commonly available in shades of reds/auburns/chestnuts, though there are others. It will only work on hair that has never been colored or only colored with henna before, or else it will not penetrate.
        There's lots of old threads about henna...
      • Re: sodium coco-sulfate?!?!?!?!?!?!!???

        Tue, May 6, 2008 - 5:18 PM
        www.essentialwholesale.com/prod...2.htm

        Features:
        Sodium Coco Sulfate is a naturally derived alternative to Sodium Lauryl Sulfate in flake form. Sodium Coco Sulfate is derived from pure coconut oil. It can be used in a wide variety of personal care applications in which viscosity building and foam characteristics are of importance. The product formulates similar to synthetic alkyl sulfates, but is less defatting to the hair and skin. SCS being less soluble than synthetic alkyl sulfates leaves the skin and hair with a conditioned feel. It can be incorporated into shampoos, hand soaps, bath products, shaving creams and medicated ointments. It is especially useful for opaque, pearlescent, or cream products.
        • Re: sodium coco-sulfate?!?!?!?!?!?!!???

          Wed, May 7, 2008 - 9:37 AM
          I found this article too, but I was more hoping for personal responses from people who have tried product containing this as opposed to SLS.

          Anyone know anything about this stuff?
          • Re: sodium coco-sulfate?!?!?!?!?!?!!???

            Wed, May 7, 2008 - 2:40 PM
            Still over-strips, just not as bad as Sodium Lauryl or even Laureth Sulfate does. Just because its naturally derived doesn't really mean jack, as the extraction processes for chemicals like these can be very 'unnatural' as it were. What you end up with is a chemical that will NOT resemble the properties of the thing it was extracted from.
      • Re: sodium coco-sulfate?!?!?!?!?!?!!???

        Fri, May 9, 2008 - 2:42 PM
        I transitioned to no 'poo by using the Lush shampoo bars. I like that they don't have excess packaging. However, I have a sulfite/sulfate sensitivity, and I haven't found the sodium laureth sulfate Lush uses to be any easier to bear than sodium lauryl sulfate.
        • Re: sodium coco-sulfate?!?!?!?!?!?!!???

          Fri, May 9, 2008 - 3:56 PM
          Aubrey Organics is the only product I like that has no synthetic ingredients and no crap. I only shampoo my hair once a week at the most, and I have lots of hair. I only condition once a month, but I like to treat my dry frizzys with a bit of organic coconut oil when my hair seems dry.
    • Re: Lush shampoo

      Sat, May 10, 2008 - 8:50 AM
      I tried their newer non-SLS bars, and I like them for not being too drying, as other SLS shampoo is, for me. I got the NEW! (cinnamon-clove) and the Godiva, both of which smell lovely, and use them every 3-6 days if my hair is feeling greasy, and it doesn't seem to dry out my thick curls. (Of course, I do use a pretty good conditioner anyway...)

      I was very happy when they told me they were coming out with a SLS alternative shampoo bar, even if I don't use 'poo very much in the first place. SLS really dries out my skin and hair and makes it unhappy.

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