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how to add MSM to creams and such?...

topic posted Mon, March 27, 2006 - 6:55 PM by  Jacklyn
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I've really liked the products I've tried from my health food store with MSM, so I found a jar of powdered MSM and was wondering how you guys would suggest adding it to a face cream, per se. At what point would you add it to say cocoa butter, shea, jojoba asnd essential oils when mixing in a double boiler? Or would you add it afterwards?

many thanks-
j
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    Mon, March 27, 2006 - 7:08 PM
    I would dilute it with enough water to make a paste, then mix it in with your moisturizer of choice. You might need to experiment to find the right viscosity of MSM & water that will blend well with your other creams & oils.
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    Mon, March 27, 2006 - 8:59 PM
    i have liquid MSM that i dumpstered, it's high quality and tons of it, i should rub it all over, i wonder what would happen! hee hee hee!
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      Mon, March 27, 2006 - 9:03 PM
      OK.. I have no idea what MSM is.. I did a search & came up with this...
      www.arthritis.org/resources...ations.asp

      is it the same stuff? what do you like about it.. what does it do? If it's the same stuff as in this article.. not so sure I would want to use it, myself.. but each to their own...
      • Re: how to add MSM to creams and such?...

        Wed, March 29, 2006 - 3:30 AM
        MSM - methylsulfonylmethane- is a naturally occuring sulfur compound found in plant and animal tissues that is essential for optimum health as are up to 100 other trace minerals that we are lacking in our diets due to mostly the consumption of flouridated water, iodized table salt, and the use of synthetic fertilizers applied to already exhausted, nutrient deficient soils binding many of the trace minerals, making them unavailable to plant life and animals which inevitably become our food, our own source of energy.

        As far as MSM in particular, it can detoxify the body on a cellular level and is known to be nourishinng to hair, skin, nails, teeth, and bones. Me and my partner have actually been doing some research on salt water and trace mineral definciency and some of the facts on the matter are pretty interesting. I've seen alot of beauty products at health food stores and the local raw food joint and have tried 2 MSM hair conditioners without paraben that conditioned my FRIED hair like nothing else that I've tried that isn't chemmy. Here's a link to one of the brands of which I'm a fan-
        www.ecoviva.com/html/soignee.php
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          Tue, April 11, 2006 - 7:35 AM
          Iodine is a trace element that was lacking in the American diet until it was added to table salt. It is not added to salt in high concentrations. Not having enough of it causes goiters. I don't like goiters. The bigger problem is that table salt is treated to remove "contaminants" like iron and to help it not clump. Those treatments affect the taste, but the iodine really is good for you if you live in many parts of the United states or if you buy produce that is grown in parts without much iodine in the dirt (many places).

          Fluoride is a trace element that was naturally present in some water supplies and not naturally present in others. Many many many studies over the years have found that areas with fluoridated water have lower incidences of cavities than do areas without fluoridated water. All our water processing did with fluoride is work to make a beneficial concentration everywhere. Now that the bacteria that cause tooth decay have been reduced in prevalence by widespread fluoride treatment, the benefit of fluoridated vs. unfluoridated water is less pronounced. If fluoride were removed from the water supply for 10 years or so, the bacteria would make a comeback and tooth decay would rise again, and fluoride treatment would begin to show more efficacy again. Humans in industrialized nations keep our teeth much longer than out ancestors did. A main cause of death until tooth care became common was dental problems. Why go back?

          Move somewhere where people starve to death in heavy insect pest years. Have kids there. You'll develop a whoole new appreciation for insecticide and fertilizers. We can only bitch about how unnatural everything has gotten because we live so cushy. I guarantee you that modern methods of food production are a good thing. They're getting better for us and for the environment, and it's good to bring up smallish deficiencies so that we can fix 'em. However, going back to older methods means dead children and unhealthy adults, and I'm not really for it.

          If you want a more broad-based diet, it doesn't take much. Grow some of your own food or buy from local producers. Find a way around having to buy pasteurized milk all the time and make your own dairy products--and get a good egg supplier. Eat some grass, some flowers, some wild wheat. Nibble a little dirt and find a friend who raises livestock or hunts--raw liver is really very good for you, unstomachable as it is. Eat mushrooms and buy specialty salts. Not all food is processed, and it takes little of any of these things to help your body function.

          So you know, I spent my childhood on a rural farm, drinking raw milk (disgusting--our cow loved wild onion. ewwww), eating homegrown veggies and (grudgingly) meat my family and their friends had taken from our farm animals and from wild game. We kids ate dirt when we craved it. Violets and greenbriar and grass shoots were my snacks in the spring, and I can still feed myself April through November on wild plants. We drank filtered, but unfluoridated water from a cistern (full of sulfur compounds and trace minerals, and really terrible tasting/smelling some times of the year. I had 26 cavities in my baby teeth--the average kid drinking fluoridated water has something like 5. In our school--the difference between kids drinking cistern or well water and kids drinking "city water" was clear.). We raised bees and made our own peanut-butter (dangerous--look up untreated peanuts and "aflatoxin"). A couple of winters, there wasn't *quite* enough food for comfort. Trust me, the whole population of the world could not live that way--not now that there are so many humans. It is only sustainable for small numbers of people living in rural areas and taking care of themselves. City folk would get goiters, become seriously ill from contaminated milk and meats, have their teeth rot out of their heads and die of malnutrition--and FAST. If you doubt it, read up on the history of feeding cities--that's a pretty good description of what happened in them 200 years ago.

          (As a side note, I worry about any claims that ANYTHING can "detoxify the body on a cellular level". What does that even mean?? )
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            Tue, April 11, 2006 - 8:41 AM
            What is MSM?
            MSM, short for methylsulfonylmethane, is an organic form of sulfur readily absorbed and utilized by our bodies. MSM is composed of 34% bio-available sulfur, making it the richest source of organic sulfur available. MSM is a safe, natural, assimilable food, which assists the body in maintaining adequate sulfur stores. MSM may support the body in regulating insulin production, improving skin smoothness and elasticity, regulating environmental and allergic sensitivities, enhancing bowel function and liver detoxification, and enhancing respiratory function.
            Our bodies require the element sulfur for many of its functions. Sulfur is a component of the proteins necessary for the formation of skin, hair, nails and muscle. Sulfur is also a component of bones, teeth and collagen (connective tissue). Sulfur is integral in the formation of bile acids by the liver and insulin by the pancreas. It is the fourth most plentiful mineral in the body and it essential for life.

            more of this great article is here:

            www.falconblanco.com/health/msm/msm.html

            also in the article:

            The addition of Glucosamine HCL greatly improves the effectiveness of MSM for Osteoarthritis.

            MSM serves two very important processes within the body.
            Some of the excess MSM you consume will flush out of your body in about 12 hours, taking with it many toxins. It is involved in the cellular makeup of the cells walls of any of the new cells your body creates. Our bodies are constantly making new cells to replace old cells. As new cells are created, the MSM is incorporated into the polypeptide bonds that make up the cells walls. The result is the creation of cell walls that are more permeable to nutrients. It is like comparing backpack nylon material to cheesecloth. Cells walls without MSM will be very impermeable to nutrients while cells walls with adequate MSM will be very permeable to nutrients.

            it also detoxes the liver. :) it's fabulous stuff!

            hm, i grew up on spring water too but never had that many cavities. but that is actually totally off-topic...:P
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            Mon, April 17, 2006 - 7:49 PM
            We're going to have to agree to disagree on many things here. Iodine IS necessary in trace amounts as are 100 other elements that we recieve NONE of because most people ONLY consume iodized table salt which has no other trace minerals it. You can fulfill your daily requirment by eating just a small piece of fish, seaweed, soybeans, molasses, just to name a few.

            The fluoride debate has been going on for years. Do a simple google search on "fluoride dangers" (or whatever) and you'll see just how deep it actually runs and that there has been no physical evidence that fluoride prevents cavaties. There is a ton of evidence that it can kill you, though. Personally, I prefer not to put anything in my mouth that can kill me. That goes for my food too- when food is treated with chemicals the entire cellular structure of the food is altered. That information then becomes a part of you when you eat it. It's just the law of nature I'm afraid. "On a cellular level" means exatly what it sounds like- on the level of cells- the shit you can't see, but what everything is made of... even you!

            This is a good link if your curious to hear about the many dangers of fluoride and how big of an issue it is-
            www.nofluoride.com/

            -They have tons of studies on fluoride and links to cancer, Ulcers & Colitis, Mental & Neurological Disorders, Multiple Sclerosis, Polio, Endocrine Dysfunction Cataracts, Glaucoma, Goiters, Bone & Joint Conditions - Osteoporosis, Bone Cancer
            , to name a few.

            Here are some of my favorite historical facts about sodium fluoride (which is what is added to tap water and toothpaste):

            Adolf Hitler sought a means to make people docile and suggestible. He discovered that odorless sodium fluoride slowly poisons and makes dormant the small tissue in the brain's left rear occipital lobe that normally helps a person resist domination. Fluoride allows muscles to move one way, but not relax. In large doses fluoride causes paralysis and death.

            Sodium fluoride is classified with arsenic and cyanide as a dangerous poison and is used in rat poison. Hydrogen fluoride is an industrial pollutant. It is illegal to sell or give away a fluoride pill of 1 mg. Fluoride slowly destroys the body's self-repair and rejuvenation capabilities causing premature ageing, bone damage and deformities.

            Fluoride increases the risk of hip fractures up to 41%. Fluoridation can cause tooth enamel mottling, poor health, mongolism in infants and increases the growth of cancer cells.

            Since 1996 these 11 Associations no longer endorse Water Fluoridation:

            American Heart Assoc.
            American Academy of Allergy & Immunology
            Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Activation Network
            American Diabetes Assoc.
            National Institute of Law Municipal Officers
            American Chiropractic Assoc.
            American Civil Liberties Union
            Nat'l Kidney Foundation
            American Psychiatric Assoc.
            Soc. of Toxicology

            "The American Medical Association is NOT prepared to state that no harm
            will be done to any person by water fluoridation. The AMA has not carried out any research work, either long-term or short-term, regarding the possibility of any side effects." - Dr. Flanagan, Assistant Director of Environmental Health, American Medical Association.

            all love-
            j
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    Sat, April 1, 2006 - 10:02 AM
    so i put some of that biologocally active liquid msm on one of my legs last night, just to observe differences if any and see how long they lasted....that one leg is super smooth and moisturized looking, even overnight. i'll see how it goes after i take a shower and wash off whatever else was inthe formula, there was aloe, but that doesn't usually cause my skin to be so smooth and nice.
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      Sun, April 2, 2006 - 4:01 PM
      wow nux-

      I probably would have been a little aprehensive myself about slathering straight-up biologically active liquid MSM directly on my skin, but thank you for being our little guinea pig!! I tried a moisturizer with it too and my skin and hair as never retained moisture so well.

      Suzannarama, or whomever else has an opinion on the matter- so once I've found the right viscosity of water and powder you suggest adding it to the cream after I've combined the other ingredients in a double boiler and after its cooled?

      thanks all-
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        Sun, April 2, 2006 - 10:02 PM
        i would actually just put it directly into whatever cream i was already using, pretty simple...or, put it in capsules and take it internally ( i would not suggest putting it in your mouth plain, it tastes like ca). i prefer the internal method because then you know it';s going to all of your body, since it is not just the skin that needs it. most people are deficient in this mineral because we heat and process all of our foods, and so internal supplementation is highly beneficial. it is also a strong detoxer, so don't take a ton all at once or detox process could be too rapid.
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    Tue, March 11, 2014 - 2:12 PM
    Great post and responses. I just discovered MSM a few days ago and make my own creams and oils for my hair and skin. I just ordered some powdered MSM and was wondering how much to add to 16 oz of whipped shea butter or my 8 oz of my hair oil mixture.

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